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PK on Fafurion Farmzones...
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I understand your logic, but taking it to the extreme of putting guards everywhere creates the same effect. Leave guards in the mid lane and top lane. Anyone who wants to go there knows they can get killed.
No, it will not have the same effect. If PKers get “castrated,” maybe some of them will leave—and they are only about 10% of the total player base here. PvP, Clan Wars, TW, Siege—those things should stay alive.
But PK in L2 only attracts the kind of people who turned the beautiful L2 into Call of Duty. Go check the Korean servers (the home of L2); there are hardly any PKs there, because people understand—and have understood from the beginning—that L2 is not a shooter.
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We dont talk about everywhere , we just asked for fafurion... and second, PK to control a spot i understand when players sit infront of computer.. but when we with kids/work its just annoying. Why dont you look at a server where you can PK everyone active player to control a spot and waste ur time running back try to pvp killing the same guy again and again for hours if you like that type of gameplay there are alot servers like that
I understand your logic, but taking it to the extreme of putting guards everywhere creates the same effect. Leave guards in the mid lane and top lane. Anyone who wants to go there knows they can get killed.
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Also i want to ask you why you lie? You guys PK to control in Fafurion? Hmmm weird, i get PK but nobody farm this spot for next minutes/hours
Seems i get PK for fun just or? También quiero preguntarte por qué mientes. ¿Hacen PK para controlar Fafurion? Mmm, qué raro. Yo consigo PK, pero nadie farmea este lugar en los próximos minutos/horas.
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No hablamos de todos lados, solo pedimos fafurion... y segundo, PK para controlar un lugar. Entiendo cuando los jugadores se sientan frente a la computadora, pero cuando tenemos niños o en el trabajo es simplemente molesto. ÂżPor quĂ© no buscas un servidor donde puedas PK a todos los jugadores activos para controlar un lugar y perder el tiempo intentando PvP matando al mismo tipo una y otra vez durante horas? Si te gusta ese tipo de juego, hay muchos servidores asĂ.
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Wow, they are so brave that they even insult the GMs
Si lo que quiero es farmear sin que nadie me moleste ni me mate, entonces juego Habbo Hotel. AsĂ de simple. Creo que el problema no es el sistema del juego, sino lo que algunos jugadores esperan de Ă©l.
Voy a explicarlo un poco más.
Lineage 2, en esencia, es un juego basado en conflicto por recursos y control de territorio. El juego tiene varios ejes que conviven entre sĂ, tanto en servidores x1 como en servidores PvP:
Ese equilibrio es lo que define el juego.
Ahora bien, veamos distintos tipos de servidor:
En servidores x1, donde morir duele de verdad, también existen PK y PvP. Y aun sabiendo que pueden dropear equipo, los jugadores lo siguen haciendo. Porque forma parte del juego.
En servidores PvP, el farmeo dura una hora y ya estás full equipo.
El caso de Axis es distinto: es un servidor mid rate. Y en ninguna parte se anuncia como un servidor “only farm”.
Sin embargo, muchas de las decisiones que se han tomado ya han ido en direcciĂłn contraria al equilibrio natural del juego.
Por ejemplo:
Entonces la pregunta es inevitable:
¿por qué no pedir directamente que todo el mapa sea zona de paz?
Porque eso es exactamente hacia donde parece empujarse el servidor.
Puedo entender perfectamente que muchos jugadores tengan trabajo, familia o poco tiempo para jugar. Eso es totalmente válido. Pero pretender que todo el servidor se adapte al 100% a ese estilo de juego ya es otra cosa.
Más aún cuando ya existen múltiples zonas mid-farm con guardias y con bonus, diseñadas precisamente para farmear con tranquilidad.
Si aun asà se sigue pidiendo más protección, entonces el problema ya no es la falta de lugares para farmear, sino otra cosa.
En ese punto ya es la administraciĂłn la que debe decidir quĂ© quiere para el servidor. Si la intenciĂłn es eliminar completamente el conflicto entre jugadores y convertir todo en un entorno seguro, entonces lo más coherente serĂa declarar todo el mapa zona de paz.
Asà quienes solo quieren farmear podrán hacerlo felices y nadie los molestará.
Pero tambiĂ©n habrĂa que reconocer que eso ya no serĂa el Lineage 2 que siempre se ha jugado.
Voy a explicarlo un poco más.
Lineage 2, en esencia, es un juego basado en conflicto por recursos y control de territorio. El juego tiene varios ejes que conviven entre sĂ, tanto en servidores x1 como en servidores PvP:
- Farmeo: conseguir adena, mejorar equipo, enchantar. Es la base de la economĂa del juego.
- PvP: surge por conflictos entre clanes, entre jugadores o simplemente porque ves a alguien flag y decides pelear.
- PK: el juego permite matar a otro jugador incluso sin flag. Está castigado dentro del propio sistema con karma y posibilidad de dropear equipo.
- Raids: jefes que se disputan entre grupos o clanes.
- Castillos y Territory Wars: conflicto directo por control.
Ese equilibrio es lo que define el juego.
Ahora bien, veamos distintos tipos de servidor:
En servidores x1, donde morir duele de verdad, también existen PK y PvP. Y aun sabiendo que pueden dropear equipo, los jugadores lo siguen haciendo. Porque forma parte del juego.
En servidores PvP, el farmeo dura una hora y ya estás full equipo.
El caso de Axis es distinto: es un servidor mid rate. Y en ninguna parte se anuncia como un servidor “only farm”.
Sin embargo, muchas de las decisiones que se han tomado ya han ido en direcciĂłn contraria al equilibrio natural del juego.
Por ejemplo:
- Se introdujeron clones para raids, reduciendo el PvP natural que ocurrĂa al disputarlos.
- Se crearon instancias donde puedes obtener Knight Epaulette sin entrar a zonas PvP.
- Existe una instancia de farmeo de 40 minutos con respawn muy rápido.
- Hay zonas mid-farm llenas de guardias, además con bonus aleatorios entre zonas.
- Incluso hay zonas top farm protegidas por guardias, como Karik en LoA o zonas de SoA en Gracia.
Entonces la pregunta es inevitable:
¿por qué no pedir directamente que todo el mapa sea zona de paz?
Porque eso es exactamente hacia donde parece empujarse el servidor.
Puedo entender perfectamente que muchos jugadores tengan trabajo, familia o poco tiempo para jugar. Eso es totalmente válido. Pero pretender que todo el servidor se adapte al 100% a ese estilo de juego ya es otra cosa.
Más aún cuando ya existen múltiples zonas mid-farm con guardias y con bonus, diseñadas precisamente para farmear con tranquilidad.
Si aun asà se sigue pidiendo más protección, entonces el problema ya no es la falta de lugares para farmear, sino otra cosa.
En ese punto ya es la administraciĂłn la que debe decidir quĂ© quiere para el servidor. Si la intenciĂłn es eliminar completamente el conflicto entre jugadores y convertir todo en un entorno seguro, entonces lo más coherente serĂa declarar todo el mapa zona de paz.
Asà quienes solo quieren farmear podrán hacerlo felices y nadie los molestará.
Pero tambiĂ©n habrĂa que reconocer que eso ya no serĂa el Lineage 2 que siempre se ha jugado.
This L2 you’re talking about doesn’t really exist anymore, except for a few small exceptions—servers that live for a couple of months and then become empty.
L2 Axis has finally given normal people the chance to play. There are many bosses, clones, new jewelry, instances, and so on. And the game doesn’t suffer from this at all—only PK junkies suffer.
There are the Olympiad, clan wars, Territory Wars, sieges, and PvP zones. Why isn’t that enough? In clan wars and sieges you have conflicts without end. But leave the other players out of it.
But no, that’s not what PKers want. PKers don’t want CW, TW, sieges, or PvP. They want the whole server just for themselves. They want to humiliate people, they want to feel superior, they want to show that they are the best.
PK is not PvP, not CW, not TW, and not sieges. PK is only used to ruin other people’s enjoyment of the game.
I’m not talking about all L2 servers now—although I’d probably be 99% right there too. But here on L2 Axis, it’s like this: people PK simply to slow down your progress or to get rid of you completely.
Just be honest with yourselves and admit it.
L2 Axis has finally given normal people the chance to play. There are many bosses, clones, new jewelry, instances, and so on. And the game doesn’t suffer from this at all—only PK junkies suffer.
There are the Olympiad, clan wars, Territory Wars, sieges, and PvP zones. Why isn’t that enough? In clan wars and sieges you have conflicts without end. But leave the other players out of it.
But no, that’s not what PKers want. PKers don’t want CW, TW, sieges, or PvP. They want the whole server just for themselves. They want to humiliate people, they want to feel superior, they want to show that they are the best.
PK is not PvP, not CW, not TW, and not sieges. PK is only used to ruin other people’s enjoyment of the game.
I’m not talking about all L2 servers now—although I’d probably be 99% right there too. But here on L2 Axis, it’s like this: people PK simply to slow down your progress or to get rid of you completely.
Just be honest with yourselves and admit it.
I understand what you really want: to farm wherever you want without anyone killing you. If that's the case, then the most honest thing to do would be to directly ask the GM to turn the entire map into a peace zone.
I could give you a thousand arguments about the essence of the game, the balance between PvE, PvP, and PK, or about how Lineage 2 has always worked. But I sincerely doubt you'd understand them, because that's not what you're looking for. What you want is simply to turn on your computer, leave your character on auto-farm, and nothing more.
And that's where the real question arises:
What, then, is the point of progressing?
If no one can challenge you for a spot, if no one can knock you out of a place, if there's no risk or competition, why improve your equipment? Why level up? Why become stronger?
Besides, it's not as if the server hasn't already made enough concessions in that direction.
There are already top zones protected by guards.
You have modified zones designed for peaceful farming.
There are clones of epic raids.
You have raid spirits with the possibility of chests and a chance at epics.
With all that available, continuing to ask for more protections or easier gameplay is no longer about seeking balance. Frankly, it seems like a joke.
Because there comes a point where it's not about improving the server, but simply about wanting an ever-easier game.
And if what we really want is a game where nobody bothers anyone and everyone can farm without any conflict, then the most logical thing would be to say it clearly: we turn the entire map into a peace zone and that's it.
But in that case, we would also have to acknowledge that that's no longer Lineage 2.
You say: improve for what? For better/faster PvE, for PvP, for Olympiad, for TW, for CW, and for sieges. I ask the exact same question: Why do PK junkies play L2? The answer is always the same: because only in L2 can you easily ruin other people’s progress. Why should I fight over a spot? If I spend my time fighting for every spot, then I might as well forget about my own progress completely.
Another question: What are you PKers even doing here on a server with autohunting and guards?! That’s so boring. There are more than enough servers where, from level 20 onward, you can’t even get up from the ground anymore. You PKers have no idea about PvP, TW, CW, Olympiad, or sieges. Your whole purpose is simply to annoy people. Just admit it.
The server offers so many PvP features—more than any other—but PKers aren’t interested in that. You only want one thing: to annoy people, mess them up, and take away their fun from the game.
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And you are here being so polite, trying to explain everything in a human way, to argue. You don’t need to do that. You showed in the chat what kind of people you are. You humiliate, insult, and so on.
So you can try as hard as you want here, but the game chat has already shown the real face. I bet in real life you are the quietest people, and that bothers you, which is why you (PKers) are the superheroes on the internet.
And you don’t need to defend it. The game chat shows what you are.
And you are here being so polite, trying to explain everything in a human way, to argue. You don’t need to do that. You showed in the chat what kind of people you are. You humiliate, insult, and so on.
So you can try as hard as you want here, but the game chat has already shown the real face. I bet in real life you are the quietest people, and that bothers you, which is why you (PKers) are the superheroes on the internet.
And you don’t need to defend it. The game chat shows what you are.
I'm not interested in explaining it any further with words; I've already explained with facts what happens if we fill it with guards
Yes, I also do not want to continue debating here. I just want to mention that you did not present facts, but arguments. Arguments and facts are different things. You can present your own opinion as an argument, but that is far from being a fact. Arguments are verbal explanations, and whether they are correct or not is determined by facts. A fact is an accomplished reality/action, a physical proof. Here in the forum, neither you nor I can present facts. A fact would only occur if the admin reprograms the server, and after some time this fact can then be seen on the serverI'm not interested in explaining it any further with words; I've already explained with facts what happens if we fill it with guards
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Yea you showed me and summon 4 bots near me so that they steal my farm.. But is this for what you are playing this server bro? I please you guys normally pls stop PK me without a reason.. if you want my spot to farm just ask me i leave and search other spot its no problem, really. We talked nice yesterday ingame private chat and i hope we can find a solution.. i never would have asked here in forum for guards in fafu if you guys wouldnt disturb me to annoy me. You dont even need that spot you guys are maxxed out with equipment.. let new players farm..I'm not interested in explaining it any further with words; I've already explained with facts what happens if we fill it with guards
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